Number 2 in a series of quotes from John Bergers 1978 essay, Uses of Photography. As noted on the first entry, the fotolog comments column may not be the place for extended dialogue, but Im interested to see what your thoughts are about this and the previous post.
Here is number 1 in the series: <A HREF="http://www.fotolog.net/ronni/?photo_id=4362876" TARGET=_top>http://www.fotolog.net/ronni/?photo_id=4362876</A>
On January 08 2004 154 Views
Shutter451 On 18/01/2004
As tempted as I was to enter the fray here and post a contribution, my note exploded into an essay that would probably exceed the character limit on Fotolog, and would almost certainly violate community decorum. So, I sent an email to your ronnibennett.com address. If that`s not the correct place to send it, please let me know.Thanks so much for your wonderful comments on my log.Warm regards,Jim
Colorstalker On 17/01/2004
Hi Ronni, thanks for visiting my cemetery pix. In answer to your question: The families have plots, often centered around an obelisk or other big stone, & the family members get little markers clustered around. The markers designate family position, not names. "Mutter" & "vater" are German for mother & father. What`s amazing to me is the assumed primacy of family over individual implied by this arrangment.
Oslopaul On 17/01/2004
play archarchy: it re-draws your map
Oslopaul On 17/01/2004
yes ribena has got it (love the drink!) ...narrative is the key..and sound too- type "phonectics+narrative" in Google! Also, the Rosalind Krauss book I posted above is to read about the `frame` (Ribena!)..and other like the `screen`. :O Hey! If you just like photographs now and then, go for William A. Ewings "Inside Information: Imaging the Human Body"___some good text in there too! (Not selling here just telling!)
Oslopaul On 17/01/2004
Berger Burger! Photographs do narrate and mostly WITH text. Of course, `text` can be seen to be other/and that of the written structure we normaly associate; just read Joseph Kosuth or Roland Barthes or even Bertolt Brecht, they have a few words to say about this, or go with Rosaling Krauss "The Optical Unconscious" to get synthetic cognition away from Berger Burgers! Fundamentally, the `functions` that concern photography et al. is one of the navigation of language (and not talking about psycho-linguistics here!) language constructed functions, not the other way around, in the top-down approach that Berger and his School of Art for Business would have us believe!Photography is `text`,(Art&Language et al.) is the language of functionswhich we cannot assume in Berger Burger`s writings.:0
Ribena On 14/01/2004
(also: I`m editing a book on the brain, on intelligence, and memory, and pattern, and prediction, and so that, too, has been shaping my thoughts: on time, and on other things.)
Ribena On 14/01/2004
hello, ronni.it`s funny, but when I first read this Berger quote last week, I was still thinking about imperfections in both memory and photography, what gets captured within the frame, what does not, but a few things have happened since then.first, a story. I have a photo of my grandmother in my room that is a WW2 pinup--or, I should say, that I and my whole family call one. My grandma`s cousin took the shot of her, sunbathing at the lake, before he got shipped off, and his buddies liked it so much they asked for copies, and so my grandma was legendary in her small town for her pinup. recently someone told me that it wasn`t a pinup at all--I suppose because it didn`t follow the form of the classic pinup. but if followed the function of one, though the only way I knew that was through memory, not the photograph. the biggest difference between a memory and a photograph is this sense of time and connection. memories exist over a period of time, not just an instant, and become linked, and become functional. photographs--in and of themselves--do not. it is our memories of and related to them that make them storytellers. my still developing two cents.The pinup: <A HREF="http://www.fotolog.net/ribena/?photo_id=673577" TARGET=_top>http://www.fotolog.net/ribena/?photo_id=673577</A>
Loirinhas On 14/01/2004
nao entendi nadica
Car0lzinha On 13/01/2004
pow nao intendi kase nd:P
Av_producer On 13/01/2004
Berger wrote about Art though his Marxist prism. Interesting but questionable.One of my favorite Berger quotes ..."There is an absolute incompatibility between art and private property .... Property must be destroyed before imagination can develop any further." As far as I can tell he never renounced the copyright on any of his works or refused a royaly payment.
Sylvia On 12/01/2004
Hmmm, I don`t actually see his point ... Certainly I see a picture of having a specific perspective the same as a story does. Led by the photographer but ultimately defined by the viewer.I`ve been amazed at some of the interpretations people have made of my stories: things I didn`t write, viewpoints I didn`t put forward. I had one where the main character died at the end and over 50% of the readers refused to believe she was dead. Really. I kept getting "What happens next?" emails and kept responding saying "Erm, nothing, she`s dead." Two readers sent me very intriguing (and totally impossible) explanations for why she wasn`t dead based on what I had written. "No, really, she`s dead. I`m sorry."Is there interpretation wrong? Well yes, for me. But not for them and ultimately the writer (and the photographer) has to accept that they do not hold sole control over the narration.
Tatefox On 12/01/2004
Ronni,Photographs do narrate.Case in point is my recent photo you commented on. The shot is the abhorrent polluting of out most precious resource, the ocean. I felt great emotions taking pictures on that cold December day. I have never seen a froth that hideous before on the beach where I spent my childhood.It makes me realize that the world, and ourselves are finite.It is up to us to illuminate and change.Cheers,Scott
Hollyweirdnights On 11/01/2004
speak da mind, always. infinite peace.
JimR On 11/01/2004
I wonder what John Berger would say about some of the nicer Vermeer paintings? I particularly enjoy "Woman with the scale" (or something like that)This fellow`s comments are silly. I`d be more comfortable if he`d make his statements without that absolutist tone.
Dogmiss On 11/01/2004
Hey there Ronni, we didn`t come here to philosphise with you on John Berger`s quotes, but thanks for your visit at Miss Fotolog Dog. Yeah, that Dottie sure is a real foxy lady.But what is this you are suggesting?? You wrote: "Isn`t this just a littlebit sexist?". Huh? We hope you are joking. Of course we don`t know what kind of a hu-man you are Ronni, but we are warm blooded males with an eye on the ladies. Have you ever seen a miss-competition with guys competing? Anyway, your suggestion ("How about a MR. Fotolog Dog of the Week too?") is not bad. Go ahead and do it! If you need help, let us know!Have a nice Sunday.Poten van Joop, Bosse & Pelle
Hillspan On 09/01/2004
Polaroid_billy On 09/01/2004
actually the word photograph is such a broad term, encompassing so many different forms of art as well as the basic concept of a photograph (as merely a record) that trying to define what a photograph is, as a singular object, is impossible. i agree with his observation that photographs do not narrate but that is the beauty of photography and that is what make it an art form. happy new year ronnie!
Lauratitian On 09/01/2004
ronni, glad you`re here (still). your flog is evolving to a think-spot. thanks for inspiring me to think, not just look. I also now want to read john berger (and sontag, and also, always, hickey, too. ....)
Jkh_22 On 09/01/2004
before i comment again, i think i want to re-read both sontag and berger!
Roomwithaview On 09/01/2004
Dear Ronni!! wow, I am glad I came by here this evening or I would have missed the chance to wish you fullsome and productive rumination on your time here. I took a break for 6 weeks and it was a very good thing for me. I got way too compulsive aboutfotolog. Its really enlightening your comments that my recent photos of China looks just like the USA. I`m so surprised (I know nothing of big US cities, being a country mouse.) Your quotes posted here are really thought-provoking, thank you for sharingthem. Also Colorstalker has an essay or 2 of his brilliant writing on photography accessible in the links under his f & f list. I think it is called Art Post. Go well, friend and do come back. You will be missed.
Daily_stuff On 08/01/2004
Ronni, by the way,i loved your "about"! ~:-)
Glaubinhoreloded On 08/01/2004
As time goes by...
Daily_stuff On 08/01/2004
photography keeps the moments alive. when our memories seem to fade it gives a flash of light so colors return to the scene. ~;-)
Cbonney On 08/01/2004
Well, memory does add a certain screen to things. And there are times in our lives that we`d rather re-live through our memory than through the harsh light of reality photography. But I always thought one of the things that distinguishes well-done documentary photography is its ability to capture not just the objective chemical or digital reflection, but also the mood of the "moment." I`ve no doubt Mr. Berger is more learned about this than me. But I can`t accept that photography is passionless. The whole premise of photojournalism is that one picture can move a world of people.
Polaroid_billy On 08/01/2004
i don`t git it. is he talkin` about pitchers?
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